The Colorado Confederatarian

Glen Beck seemed like he was really incredulous at the idea of the Texas Nationalist spokesperson. I did like the idea of the abused spouse analogy, why couldnt we just "divorce" the rest of the union?

As far as Iran goes this shows that if any atrocites were comitted in regards to secession, it would be all over the internet within seconds.

June 23, 2009 5:59 PM

Mr. Naylor reiterates the 12 percent support translating into 60,000 registered voters. There is a large chasm to leap between the endorsement of an idea and its support. Sam Young, the acknowledged secessionist gubernatorial candidate in Vermont during the '08 elections drew 0.8 percent (2,466 votes).

There is a glaring disconnect here. Questions to be asked are: Why does the disconnect exist? How can it be resolved?

Part of the problem may lie in the fact that, as of yet, there is no real secessionist political platform and policies that can be offered to the voting public. Waiting for Republicrats to seize the secessionist initiative is self-defeating. As such, the creation of a secessionist party, as proposed by the Green Mountain Brigade in Vermont, may prove the way to go. The SVR is on record as opposing such a development. Such a party would translate into a concrete alternative for the electorate to entertain. Via such a political vehicle, the 12 percent, if it actually exists, may step out from the shadows knowing that its support would actually translate into true State legislative representation.

If the 12 percent support really does exist then the paper revolutionaries in Vermont owe it to those citizens to organize politically around their support, as opposed to leaving them dangling in the wind. With a first-across-the-line voting system, parliamentary representation, and multiple parties (at the State level) to not crunch the numbers and to not enter the electoral fray in a wisely-targeted electoral district with a distinctive secessionist party brings Tallyrand to mind: “It is worse than a crime, it is a mistake.” The same electoral dynamics apply for a couple of Southern states and especially for Texas. For the latter, we have had that discussion in this space before.

This particular revolution will not be a re-enactment of a sixties love-in. Each geographical jurisdiction carries the responsibility to safeguard and promote its own and unique autonomy. Vermont’s business is Vermont’s business. However, until such time as the secessionist struggle goes political then it is all just make-believe. As we have known all along, some will get it right, some will get it wrong, and some won’t get it at all.

As for the interview itself, the same applies here as to last week’s WSJ article, Divided We Stand. NAmerican secessionists will have to tweak their media savvy. It always helps to know who is playing whom…and to whose advantage.

The stakes are growing in leaps and bounds.

June 23, 2009 6:03 PM

WOW
Sebastian makes some great points. Earlier our discusion centered around cultural acceptance and political muscle. I really think that the void is there in the republican party to recruit , let's say a Southern NATIONAL party! We can use the framework we are laying in the Southern National Congress to bridge the gap to a TRUE Southern party who secedes if the Feds do not clean up their act, which we all know they will not

June 23, 2009 9:24 PM

Pawmetto, thank you for perceiving what, IMO, needs to be so urgently addressed. Most importantly, the secessionist movement will have to determine the continental, regional breakdowns for future secession initiatives. This is a particular challenge for Americans as regional identities have never been encouraged nor nurtured (due to a little event 1860-1865). What the media misses and, unfortunately most secessionists also miss, is that we are talking about the creation of new countries on the North American land mass.

Let me use as example the initiative that I am most familiar with: the creation of the proposed Novacadia Independence Party, targeting the Canadian Maritime provinces and the states of Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire. Provincial and state parties are registered in each respective jurisdiction, i.e. NIP of Nova Scotia, NIP of New Brunswick, NIP of Prince Edward Island, NIP of Maine, NIP of Vermont and NIP of New Hampshire. Agreed upon objectives and constitutions are the same for each party. Secessionist candidates go into the field, in their respective jurisdictions, but with mutual platforms and policies to advocate the creation of Novacadia.

Now overlap that example with your idea for kick-starting a similar political movement via the SNC. Determine the states that fall under the umbrella of a proposed new country and establish parties in those states/jurisdictions to carry the common mandate. Hypothetically, the SNC as a relatively new organization could constitutionally change lanes to take on this mandate. With all due respect to the objectives of the LoS, it may need to jump in. A ten-year timeline for development of cultural identity is about to be trumped by the speed of institutional collapse. I would argue that the culture is already in place, as it exists in the present, not as one may wish to remodel it on possibly romantic and dated notions. The rule is simple: We work with what we’ve got. How could it be otherwise?

I repeat, to entertain a notion of 48 independent countries (not including the devolution of the Canadian state) is unreasonable. Harold Thomas has supplied a map identifying 19 nations. The actual geographical determination of what we deal with in order to focus political resources and energy will hopefully be one of the first challenges of the proposed North American Secessionist Congress. I further anticipate the Executive of the Congress to be representative of the regions identified. We cannot afford to be stepping on each others’ toes.

The time has arrived. It is that simple. The condition stares us in the face unmercifully. Organized action must now displace the loosey-goosey posturing all too evident at prior secessionist conventions. Personally, I have no time for fair-weather and week-end secessionists. The risks are huge; the stakes are huge, as are the anticipated results. This is history, not a casual stroll through the park. It never has been crafted, nor will it ever be crafted, without the appropriate political vehicles.

The paramount question remains paramount: What must be done?

North American Secessionist Congress, October 2010.

June 24, 2009 7:09 AM

LostinUtah,

Technology is our friend. It's made in impossible for a government to oppress its people and keep it a secret.

June 24, 2009 4:21 PM

Sebastian Ronin,

Nicely put. And just as you say, the stakes are indeed creeping up daily.

June 24, 2009 4:22 PM

Pawmetto,

The SNC would make a great foundation for an independence party. Secession is in the air now, and it's time to aerate those sparks.

June 24, 2009 4:24 PM

Re "Secession is in the air now, and it's time to aerate those sparks."

I would qualify one step further, reflecting political responsibility that has fallen into our laps. It is time to anticipate the sparks, pre-empt their occurrence, and build the structure(s) accordingly.

If done properly, IMO, the victories will tumble our way as easily as an over-ripe fruit dropping from its branch. Strategy is easy; tactics are what matter.

In our politically correct and sterile age secessionists must not fear voicing the word "power."

June 24, 2009 5:03 PM